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Hey folks. Thanks for your support on my last post. I whipped this up over the past couple of days, so let me know what you think. This one isn't friends-locked, so if you know other people that might be interested or have something to share, send 'em on over.

This is a very rough roughdraft; nothing is set in stone, especially the author contributors (because I haven't actually *asked* anyone yet) and works used. I admit to the authors and works I've mentioned is limited to those I've met in person or via internet and works I've read; it is not all-inclusive or necessarily the best examples of what's out there. This is more of a wishlist of people I'd like to work with and whom I know would have something to contribute, but please feel free to say "Yes please," "me too," or "no thanks" and I'll alter this accordingly. 

As far as author contributors; if you/they have books out currently, coming soon, or recently, that's preferable because I'm looking for works that are easily accessible, but if you have an older book that is relevant to this, than please let me know.  I'm not doing much with related short stories because they seem harder to get ahold of in general (maybe I'm wrong, but many are on the shelf for a very limited time,) but I will still create a list of them at the end of the book for reference.

For the anecdotes sections--that is, quotes by average readers about their experiences with LGBT SF/F, I hope to set up a questionnaire of sorts on my web page. I just have to figure out how to do it, and when and if I get that done I'll start soliciting people for that.

At the moment, I'm looking for more ideas on M/M SF, and works in F or SF that include transgendered persons. Cross-dressing is okay but I'm having a hard time thinking of books with truly transgendered persons.  I could also use more YA ideas, especially in something other than urban fantasy.

Any comments or suggestions overall would be welcome, whether it's format, content, structure, or whatever.  I do want this to be a current, relatable and interactive book of sorts, so any and all ideas at this point would be great.  I'm heading off to the library to pick up a couple of books on proposals (and because I need to do something besides sit in front of the computer on a nice day like today.)

  

Dare to speak its name: Queer science fiction and fantasy, the writers who write it and the readers who read it

 
A proposal by

 

 

 

Overview

 

The goal of this book is to provide a history of the appearance of LGBT characters and situations in science fiction and fantasy and to show the various methods writers used to incorporate those characters. This will not be just a collection of essays from various contributors, nor will it be overly academic and formal. It will be approachable and affordable by a variety of audiences, ages and genres, usable in a classroom setting or to be enjoyed by the layman or fan, easy to understand yet still be able to make them think and to relate new and useful information. While the majority of the books in this genre focus at an academic level, this will focus on the societal and take a serious look at the reasons LGBT SF/F is being written, how society affects them and how they affect society.

 

The title of the book comes from a contemporary of Oscar Wilde, referring to same-sex love as “The love that dares not speak its name.”  The quote has been used by gay and lesbians for over a hundred years now is still apt; despite progress made in recent years to raise awareness of the LGBT community, we’re still attacked and denied the rights our heterosexual counterparts take for granted.

 

Peter Bergman, in his book Gaiety Transfigured, mentions a study done twenty years ago by Barry M. Dank who asked gay men how they first recognized themselves as gay.  Fifteen percent said they came to it through reading.  And, Bergman says, “If one considers how little Americans read, the figure is quite astounding, showing both the importance of literature for developing gay identity, and how rare such discussions have been.”  While now the internet provides easy access to information about homosexuality and LGBT communities, it’s still reading.  Bergman goes on to say that gay literature places a double burden on the author, both to identify the gap between public and private discourse about being gay, and the responsibility to change that discourse to reflect the truth of the gay experience—something that television and other forms of media often exploit or misconstrue.

 

One mark of both gay literature and SF, and the reason the two genres are so complimentary, is their treatment of the alien, or “other,” that which defines us in our reactions to it and yet is outside the established norm.  A sense of Otherness is made more apparent by authors of gay fiction, because unlike ethnic and religious communities, the homosexual community lacks a shared group history.  Bergman goes on to say, "Gay children—who have a keen sense of being different—often have nothing and no one to show them what that difference consists of, or how one might integrate that difference into a way of life" (5).  Hence the importance of books and other literary resources to provide a much-needed enlightenment and sense of belonging. It's no wonder, then, why Otherness is a frequent occurrence in both SF and gay literature.  Writers write to be understood; readers read to find understanding.  Authors like Marion Zimmer Bradley had a huge impact on their audience, especially the LGBT community, because they finally felt included and that someone understood them.  Bradley treated her LGBT characters positively and with respect, and thus the community felt the same.

 

One of the purposes of Dare to Speak its Name  is to provide a space for LGBT SF/F in the regular gay canon. After researching several mainstrean gay nonfiction books, only one book--Ursula LeGuin's The Left Hand of Darkness--and one author--Samuel R. Delany--were mentioned. Gay SF/F deserves notice, and is far different from mainstream gay literature because in mainstream, the LGBT characters are usually treated as the outcast and the "other," while in SF/F the LGBT characters are allowed to exist in a society where their sexuality doesn't matter. While the LGBT community has made great strides over the past few years in gaining recognition and acceptance, we still have a long ways to go, and this book will help support our cause as well as to support those struggling with their own identities.


Book Format

 

The book will be approximately 225 pages in length.  Format will be Foreword, Introduction, and eleven chapters interspersed with “anecdotes,” which will be collected contributions from readers as to how reading LGBT fiction affected their lives, and “interludes,” which will be two short (2,000 words or so) essays after every chapter by authors of LGBT SF/F mentioning their own work and the reasons they chose to write it, audience reaction to their work and their overall impression of the status of LGBT SF/F today. Author contributers could include but not be limited to, Samuel R. Delany, Nalo Hopkinson, Nicola Griffith, Kelley Eskridge, Melissa Scott, Mercedes Lackey, Deborah J. Ross (for herself and for Marion Zimmer Bradley), Sherwood Smith, Lynn Flewelling, Steven Harper, Steve Berman, and Christopher Paul Carey for Philip Jose Farmer. Including these authors and allowing them to use their own words and express their own perspectives would at a personal touch to the book and would interest fans of those particular authors.

 

The chapters explore several different aspects of LGBT SF/F novels in-depth. These are not overly critical examples, but more of what LGBT aspects the books include. The chapters also include research and examples from LGBT resources not limited to fiction in order to place the SF/F novels into context.

 

The level of writing will vary a little, depending on the style of the included author essays. The non-author portions will be more towards the academic side but written so as to be approachable by those at an undergraduate level as well as entertaining and informative for the general public.

After going to several conventions and being on panels, there is a significant portion of the SF/F community thirsty for knowledge about LGBT SF/F books, but they don't know where to find them. Dare to Speak its Name will also include a list of recommended works and resources on where to go to find more LGBT books and authors.

Competition

 

The most recent competition in this area is entitled Queer Universes, edited by Wendy J. Pearson et al., recently out from Liverpool.  However, my book differs from this one, in that Pearson’s book is academic essays by various authors and a couple of interviews with authors like Nicola Griffith and Nalo Hopkinson.  Queer Universe, at $85, is an “investigation into these contemporary and historical representations of gender and sexualities” using contributions from scholars and authors which makes the book read at a far higher level than what I intend.  The high price  means that the average person will not be able to afford it and will only be able to get it at a library if they’re lucky.  Her audience is those who seriously study science fiction and its construction, while my book would appeal to an audience eighteen and up and be appropriate for both personal and classroom settings.  Queer Universes consists of entirely science fiction sources while mine would go on to include fantasy, young adult, Japanese manga, and e-books that feature homosexuality in an SF/F setting.

 

To the best of my knowledge there is no other book that encompasses this subject matter nor is it written in such a format. There is little mention of LGBT SF/F in nonfiction books save for a few essays and three anthologies edited by Nicola Griffith. There are some comparisons in mainstream gay literature, but those are meant for a different market. Richard Canning, in Gay Fiction Speaks, features interviews with leading mainstream gay authors, but my book would let both gay authors writing LGBT characters and straight authors writing LGBT speak for themselves as to the reasons they write what they do.  This addition would bring in an audience of those author’s fans. 

 

Promotion

The book will be able to be marketed to a variety of audiences, both academics and laypersons. The individual essays by authors well-known in their field will make the book approachable to and desirable by fans and more enjoyable than an book consisting entirely of essays. The more scholarly information will appeal to historians, academics, and those teaching and studying LGBT subjects in college. Science fiction and fantasy fans will likely comprise the largest portion of the intended audience, with crossover into those interested in LGBT subjects and the history of SF/F in general.

There are various outlets through which to promote the book. Science fiction and fantasy conventions such as WorldCon, World Fantasy and the International Conference for the Fantastic in the Arts, writer's associations such as the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America (SFWA), writer and fan blogs, and academic spheres will comprise the largest target group for solicitation. I have multiple contacts in all of these areas as well as well-known writer friends who can help promote the book by word of mouth. Other outlets would include LGBT centers, groups, festivals and bookstores.

Author qualifications

[info]tcastleb is a queer author and graduate of the Clarion Writer's Workshop for Science Fiction and Fantasy. She has also attended the Taos Toolbox Workshop for SF/F authors taught by noted science fiction authors Walter Jon Williams and Connie Willis and received a Master's in Writing Popular Fiction from Seton Hill University, where her thesis novel included a transgendered character and gay themes. She writes queer science fiction and fantasy e-books under her pen name. She has also attended multiple science fiction and fantasy conventions including WorldCon, World Fantasy, ComicCon, YaoiCon and others, where she has met and befriended many of the authors she intends to contact for contributions to the book. In March, she presented a paper at the International Conference for the Fantastic in the Arts entitled "Twisting the Other: Using a Third Sex to Represent Homosexuality in Science Fiction," which will be adapted for use in this book. She is currently serving an internship with the noted psychologist Dr. Robert Epstein, with whom she is writing scientific papers on extending Alfred Kinsey's idea of the sexual orientation continuum.

[info]tcastleb




  

Foreword by Big Name Author

Introduction

            In a study, it was discovered that some fifteen percent of LGBT leaned about their sexual identity by reading.  Yes, reading.  This book focuses on the existence and need for positive LGBT role models in the science fiction and fantasy genres which have both been traditionally accepting of those who fall outside the norm.  There will be a brief mention of the forthcoming chapters, author and reader involvement.

 


Part I: The history of LGBT SF/F: Where did we come from?

 

Anecdotes

 

Quotes from real people and their response to LGBT characters in SF/F books.

 


Chapter 1: Otherwise known as the “Other”

 

Science fiction, fantasy, and gay literature are actually very complimentary genres—why?  Because of the idea of the Other, or of outsiderness.  In SF, the trope has been long and hotly debated, but generally it boils down to the idea that the Other, usually an alien, is obvious, and the plot is often about how humans and aliens relate.  The story behind the plot, though, is the way the humans (or aliens) define themselves in relation to the opposite species.  The very existence of the Other threatens or comments on values and self, yet we still seek something in the Other that we recognize, no matter how alien they may be.  Mainstream gay literature often revolves around a similar idea, only it’s the homosexual that is the Other, the alien, the one struggling to give himself one definition while society insists on another.  Unlike mainstream literature, science fiction allows authors to create worlds free of the moralities of our own society.  It's this ability to create alternate worlds that allows SF/F to address the concerns of the LGBT community by using one of its most common tropes, the idea of the Other.  This chapter explores that idea in depth.

 

 

Chapter 2: The Big Bang

 

The history of sex in science fiction begins in 1952 with Philip Jose Farmer’s novella, The Lovers, which blasted apart the sexual taboo.  The next year Theodore Sturgeon wrote a novella sympathetic to the plight of two homosexual aliens fleeing their restrictive planet.  Soon after, upcoming author Samuel R. Delany, for a long time the only “black, gay, science fiction writer” breaks down more taboos in such landmark works as his Neveryon series and Dhalgren.

Interludes: Samuel R. Delany and Christopher Paul Carey for Philip Jose Farmer


Chapter 3: The doors are open, now what happens?

Authors such as Marion Zimmer Bradley continue to pave the way for gay, lesbian and transgendered characters.  Bradley’s Darkover series was one of the first novels to positively portray a gay man in a protagonist role.  Later books included a character whose gender fluctuated and the Renunciates, women who defied traditional female roles in their society.  LeGuin’s The Left Hand of Darkness features aliens who are neuter until they reach a period of kemmer where they may develop into either male or female to mate.  Mercedes Lackey’s The Last Herald-Mage trilogy features a gay protagonist and garnered her a huge following. 


Interludes: Deborah J. Ross, Mercedes Lackey?



Part II: Representations of Homosexuality in SF/F

 

Anecdotes


Chapter 5: A cleverly titled chapter about SF gay guys

 

TBD as to the exact theme; possible books to include are Karin Lowachee’s Warchild and Cagebird, and Steven Harper’s Silent Empire series.  I need more M/M SF.

 

Interludes: Karin Lowachee, Steven Harper

 

 

Chapter 6: Celebrating women

 

This chapter will focus on feminism and lesbianism in SF/F, with portrayals like societies made of entirely women as in Nicola Griffith’s Ammonite and feminist perspectives in Nalo Hopkinson’s The Salt Roads.

 

Interludes: Nicola Griffith and Nalo Hopkinson



Chapter 7: Twisting the Other: Using a "Third" sex to represent homosexuality in science fiction

 

One of science fiction's most common tropes, the idea of the Other.  Twisting the Other, in this case, means using a "third" sex to represent homosexual characters and concerns.  This chapter considers the idea that by distancing homosexuality through using it as the Other makes it more palatable and acceptable.  Emphasis is placed on homosexuality as it relates to present-day concerns in our own culture as explored by the techniques of how three different authors twist the Other: "SF as a Societal Allegory" with Melissa Scott's Shadow Man, "Ethnographic Studies" with Octavia Butler's Xenogenesis series, and "The Search for Self Through SF" with Samuel R. Delany's "Aye, and Gomorrah.”

Interludes: Melissa Scott, (?)

 


Chapter 8. Exploring sexuality

 

This chapter looks at non-standard sexualities in various novels, from a certain hermaphrodism necessary for procreation in Steven Leigh’s Dark Water’s Embrace to the transgendered body-modifiers in George Alec Effinger’s When Gravity Fails.  (And I know I should include Le Guin’s Left Hand of Darkness here, but so much has been said about that already I’m rather reluctant to say much about it in-depth.  And I could likely merge this with the chapter above, except the premise is slightly different.)

Interludes: Steven Leigh, (?)

 

 

Part III: Representations Beyond SF

 

Anecdotes


Chapter 8. Shine your swords and swab the decks: LGBT characters in fantasy

 

This chapter takes a look at the development of LGBT characters in fantasy, including Lynn Flewelling’s Night Runner series, the idea of sex without guilt in Sherwood Smith’s Inda series, and Ellen Kushner’s genderbending heroine in Privilege of the Sword, with perhaps a look at other transgender characters in fantasy, such as Robin Hobb’s Fool.  What makes fantasy LGBT portrayals different from SF portrayals?  Are the messages or difficulties different?


Interludes: Lynn Flewelling and Sherwood Smith



Chapter 9: LGBT fantasy at the intersection of reality

 

This chapter takes a look at LGBT fantasy in a modern-day setting, including books like Richard Bowes’ Minions of the Moon.  Are the situations similar or different from more traditional fantasy and SF settings?

 

(Could possibly contrast this with all the paranormal M/M vampires)

 

Interlude: Richard Bowes, Tanya Huff?


10. YA LGBT:

 

A discussion of YA LGBT books such as Holly Black’s Urban Faerie series and Steve Berman’s Vintage.  Why these books are important and what kinds of issues they address.

Interlude: Holly Black, Steve Berman



Chapter 11: Yaoi, Erotica and Slash, Oh My: Crossing genre boundaries and speculating about the future of LGBT SF/F

 

This chapter takes a look at the current, emerging genres.  One is Japanese manga in the form of Yaoi (explicit homosexuality) and Boy’s Love (non-explicit homosexuality.) Another is the popular erotic e-books, which feature explicit homosexual and sometimes transgender sexuality in SF/F settings.  And, of course, no discussion about homosexuality would be complete without a look at Slash fiction (named for the original Kirk/Spock fanfiction.)  The chapter ends with a discussion of whether or not these popular genres can—or should—be merged with more literary science fiction and fantasy.


Interlude: Anne Harris/Jessica Freely, Rachel Manija Brown


Appendix

List of recommended books and authors

List of resources


References

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Comments

[info]spiziks wrote:
May. 1st, 2008 10:40 pm (UTC)
I wonder if, as a markeing point, you might want to point out that interest in MM fiction is rapidly rising. HarperCollins just released its first bisexual (MMF) Regency romance (http://tinyurl.com/5pyldf), for example, and we all know about the surging interest in Yaoi and Shonen-ai manga.

[info]tcastleb wrote:
May. 1st, 2008 10:57 pm (UTC)
Good point. I'll add that.
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 2nd, 2008 12:39 am (UTC)
the nf book
Perhaps I'm being particularly moronic today, but I couldn't find a way to send you a back-channel email.

Anyway, if you feel like chatting about your nf book proposal ideas, get in touch via either my website (http://www.nicolagriffith.com) or my Ask Nicola blog (http://asknicola.blogspot.com).

Nicola
[info]mroctober wrote:
May. 2nd, 2008 12:27 pm (UTC)
Are you going to touch upon only post-modern works of gay spec fic? Because there are turn of the 20th century works. I'm thinking of The House of the Vampire by George Sylvester Viereck in 1907.

You should also speak to people like David Gerrold, Geoff Ryman and Joe Haldeman. Maybe you should attend Gaylaxicon this year in DC?
[info]tcastleb wrote:
May. 2nd, 2008 04:45 pm (UTC)
I'm planning on Gaylaxicon, both because I really want to go and because I have a good friend out in DC I want to visit. I think I'm just going to start with Phil Farmer in 1952, because that was really the catalyst for the whole movement. I've met Haldeman, but I haven't really talked to him.
[info]rachelmanija wrote:
May. 8th, 2008 03:15 am (UTC)
Joe Haldeman's a nice guy and very approachable.
[info]ruined_map wrote:
May. 2nd, 2008 08:01 pm (UTC)
Hero by Perry Moore is a recent very popular YA novel about a gay super hero... I have no idea who you are, came here randomly, and am not sure exactly what your project is, but it may make a nice contribution to your YA section.

And if you mention Delany's Trouble on Triton in this, you would make me a very happy gay boy. I go to Temple U, where he teaches, he's a righteous and nifty man.

Anyway, I'm friending you because you sound neat-o and I like gay stuff, SF, and the zoo.
[info]tcastleb wrote:
May. 3rd, 2008 01:43 am (UTC)
Aww, thanks! Glad you found me, and I'll check into the books.
[info]mroctober wrote:
May. 4th, 2008 11:35 pm (UTC)
Moore is a nice guy. I'm sure he would help.
[info]aamcnamara wrote:
May. 3rd, 2008 03:03 am (UTC)
I'd suggest Laurie J. Marks for the fantasy chapter, though you've probably looked at her work already.

As for YA LGBT SFF, yeah, there's not that much, which sucks for us. What I've found is mostly short stories in various publications, both on- and off-line--I can probably come up with a list, if you want one. Other than that, Privilege of the Sword and things like Tamora Pierce's Will of the Empress are about all that's there, and Privilege isn't even shelved in YA.

I was taking the survey on your website, but my browser crashed on me just as I was fact-checking a last answer. When I'm not taking the SAT next morning and have to get to bed, I'll try again.

(Here via [info]sartorias)
[info]tcastleb wrote:
May. 3rd, 2008 03:32 am (UTC)
Thanks for stopping by, and good luck on the SAT!
[info]mroctober wrote:
May. 4th, 2008 11:34 pm (UTC)
Umm, there's more YA queer spec fic than that. Trust me.
[info]aamcnamara wrote:
May. 5th, 2008 04:10 am (UTC)
Ooh, this is the good kind of correction--the kind where I get more books to read. Please, go on.
[info]mroctober wrote:
May. 6th, 2008 01:53 pm (UTC)
Well, there's Hero by Perry Moore.
Ironside by Holly Black.
Tripping to Somewhere by Kris Reisz.
Baby Be-Bop by Francesca Lia Block.
Vintage by me.

...to name a few more.
[info]desayunoencama wrote:
May. 6th, 2008 07:29 pm (UTC)
Bruce Coville's THE SKULL OF TRUTH (more middle grade than YA) has a major gay character, also his story "Am I Blue?" in the anthology of the same name.
[info]mroctober wrote:
May. 6th, 2008 07:33 pm (UTC)
And David Levithan's How They Met, though I don't recall any spec fic elements. Brilliant stories though.
[info]aamcnamara wrote:
May. 11th, 2008 02:20 pm (UTC)
Hmm. I've actually read several of those, but didn't think of them when I was writing my comment. I'd forgotten the queer angle to Ironside, for one thing.

I've always heard about Francesca Lia Block's books, but wasn't able to get into them when I tried one, which is probably why I didn't think about them.

Vintage is new to me--the title sounds familiar from somewhere--so I'll have to keep an eye out for that at the library.

Thanks!
[info]seabream wrote:
May. 8th, 2008 08:31 am (UTC)
Here via sartorias,

I like this idea. As far as filling in some of the categories you mentioned looking for stuff in:

For YA, Diane Duane's Young Wizards series starting from So You Want To Be A Wizard will be at its eighth book this fall. The protagonists' senior advisory wizards are a gay couple, though the word is never used. Her older, non-YA Tales of the Five, also known as the Door into... series is part of the queer, polyamorous, skiffy canon (for the lack of a better word).

Almost all of Tanya Huff's (herself queer) novel length work and a good proportion of her short stories include queer characters. Off the top of my head, the series or books with queer protagonists include the Vicky Nelson/Henry Fitzroy/Tony Blood _noun_ and Smoke and _plural noun_ books {respectively, bi/bi/gay}, the second of the Keepers books {Long Hot Summoning with a teen lesbian Keeper}, the Terazin short stories (collected in IIRC Stealing Magic) and The Fire's Stone {IIRC, three bi protagonists, two male, one female who end up a married threesome}. While none of them are specifically marketed as YA, (and from what I've seen often YA is a marketing category more than a determinant of content), I'd guess that for the most part, they'd be accessible. At least, I started reading them at ~10.

As far as trans-person fiction goes, Charles Stross' Glasshouse fits technically, though you should judge for yourself whether it would work in your piece. One of the points of the book appears to be analysis and critique of mid 20th century, Western gender roles and construction. The setting is one where gender changes are fairly common, and the work of about an hour. As the story action occurs some indeterminate time, perhaps millennia, into the future, and other contextual elements being quite different, the trans version of coming out as well as various other personal and political signifiers of the current experience of being trans are absent.

If you plan to touch on comics, Neil Gaiman's Sandman is probably going to come up, but even if you don't, one of the short stories in Smoke and Mirrors (which is, being a Gaiman collection, an exception to the short shelf life norm) looks at a future in which an anti-cancer pill has the side-effect of a gender switch.

Lois McMaster Bujold's Miles Vorkosigan series in particular, though her other work as well, is very definitely queer friendly, not to mention doing some healthy examination of gender. One of the major planets has three sexes - male, female and hermaphrodite, while another, Athos, has one - male. Books in particular that might be worth looking at are Ethan of Athos for a gay male protagonist, and A Civil Campaign for an ftm trans person in a plot critical supporting role. Hermaphrodite Bel Thorne never rises beyond supporting character, but is most prominent in the recent Diplomatic Immunity and the older The Warrior's Apprentice, The Vor Game and Mirror Dance.

Scott Westerfeld's Fine Prey looks at inter-cultural contact as well as having a lesbian main character. It's also one of those books that does that thing where even perhaps 80 pages in, despite being from the protagonist's viewpoint, her gender has not been conclusively indicated - which can be used as a sort of reader default viewpoint gender test. More to the point of what you're looking for, Polymorph, also by Westerfeld, follows a shapeshifter who, as you might expect, is bi, and gender fluid.

This last one isn't M/M, trans or YA, just a personal favourite recommendation - Gossamer Axe by Gael Baudino, who IIRC is queer.

I know that there's lots more out there in the areas that you're looking for that I'm forgetting. If I remember more, or can point you to a better reference, should I e-mail you or comment here?
[info]tcastleb wrote:
May. 9th, 2008 06:27 am (UTC)
Cool. Thanks for all the suggestions. A comment is fine, or e-mail at traci (at) orossy (dot) com will work. Whatever's easiest for you.
[info]rachelmanija wrote:
May. 3rd, 2008 03:07 am (UTC)
Wow, if you'd like me to write something, sure! All my gay manga has been self-published, though, and what's been professionally released has no gay content. Yet.
[info]tcastleb wrote:
May. 3rd, 2008 03:31 am (UTC)
Yeah, but you know the market better than I do, and you know how the manga stuff works, so I could use that. And Sherwood said I should ask you anyhow. :>)
[info]rachelmanija wrote:
May. 3rd, 2008 03:37 am (UTC)
I would be delighted to be a manga consultant and/or write a personal bit about my experience reading and writing gay manga, but you should also (when you're ready) talk to people who know way more about manga than me.

Offhand: [info]coffeeandink and [info]oyceter (more knowledgeable fans); [info]greenapple2004 (American manga editor; fluent in Japanese); and another manga editor, not on LJ, who is Japanese and who I could put you in touch with.

There's also manhwa (Korean comics); the editors I mention could probably tell you more about those and their gay content.
[info]tcastleb wrote:
May. 3rd, 2008 03:45 am (UTC)
Cool. Thanks!
[info]rachelmanija wrote:
May. 3rd, 2008 03:11 am (UTC)
Have you talked to Lawrence Schimel? This is right up his alley. Also Jewelle Gomez: http://www.jewellegomez.com/

Elizabeth Bear and Sarah Monette might also be interested.
[info]desayunoencama wrote:
May. 6th, 2008 07:25 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the rec, Rachel. :-)
[info]trektone wrote:
May. 3rd, 2008 04:18 pm (UTC)
Hello. Just took your survey and owe you an e-mail. Got here via [info]sleigh.

Had another comment. It would be useful to know what works/sources you've already looked at so as not to repeat those references. Or are you not comfortable exposing that list (yet)?

Good luck with the project!
[info]tcastleb wrote:
May. 3rd, 2008 04:30 pm (UTC)
Hi--thanks for stopping by! And do feel free to send me an e-mail if you'd like-- traci (at) orossy (dot) com. (or survey (at) orossy (dot) com will get there too.) And no, being a queer author isn't a requisite for a queer book, I'm trying to include non-LGBT authors of LGBT. As far as sources--a lot of it are the books by the authors I mentioned above. I know there's a lot more out there I don't know about, and I have a pile of non-genre gay fiction references too. And a couple of critical books; one is called Erotic Universe that has a little bit of LGBT genre stuff.

Thanks again!
[info]jessica_freely wrote:
May. 6th, 2008 03:06 pm (UTC)
Hi Traci,

Look's like you've got a lot of enthusiasm for this project from the responses I'm reading. This is great, and yeah, I'd be happy to write something about my experiences.

One thing that doesn't seem to be in the proposal, and which I'd love to see, is some discussion about women's enthusiasm for m/m relationships in literature. As this reads at the moment, one can draw the conclusion that reading about lesbian characters in sf/f has helped many women discover their lesbian sexual orientation.
True, I'm sure, but that's not the whole picture when it comes to women and queer sf.

Many of us have had similar awakenings reading about gay men in sf/f. Women's sexuality, gay, straight and everything in between, is marginalized in our society much as queerness is. Only the marginalization itself is often camoflaged by the deluge of sexualized images of women which adhere to a male heterosexual model of desire.

Reading about gay male characters in sf/f or elsewhere can be a very liberating experience for women of all orientations because it offers a different model for a relationship -- one that exists outside of our society's gender power structure -- and a model for personal identity that is similarly liberated from constraining gender roles.

Given that the majority of m/m readers are women, I'd love to see your book touch on some of this.
[info]mroctober wrote:
May. 6th, 2008 07:34 pm (UTC)
Is there a statistical fact that the majority of gay fiction readers are women? I would be wary of stating that so bluntly. How many women are reading Scott Heim?
[info]rachelmanija wrote:
May. 6th, 2008 07:41 pm (UTC)
I really doubt that's true for gay fiction in general. I think it's probably true for certain sub-genres like slash or yaoi, but those are very different from what you'd find on the shelves of an American gay bookshop, and also different from manga that's by and for gay men -- as opposed to simply being about gay men.
[info]mroctober wrote:
May. 6th, 2008 07:54 pm (UTC)
That's what I thought. Maybe some gay romance novels, but I just couldn't see the majority of gay titles carried by, say Giovanni's Room, appealing to women.
[info]jessica_freely wrote:
May. 6th, 2008 08:48 pm (UTC)
You're right, Steve, fiction by and for gay men does differ significantly from the genres where women are the primary audience. I guess I read slash, yaoi and m/m romance as included in the discussion here, and that's where my comment came from. *shrugs* Majority or no, I still think the female audience for male-male relationships in fiction is significant and worth commenting on.
[info]mroctober wrote:
May. 6th, 2008 08:51 pm (UTC)
I agree that it's definitely worth commenting on. I wish I understood what female readers want in stories with gay characters. Perhaps reading essays on the subject will enlighten me.
[info]tcastleb wrote:
May. 6th, 2008 11:01 pm (UTC)
Hmm. Good point, and sure it's worth putting in there somewhere. Though I admit I'm going to have a hard time on the whole feminist aspect of it. Either I'm from the wrong generation or I had a very sheltered life, because I feel very outside of that whole ideal, even if I am female.
[info]desayunoencama wrote:
May. 6th, 2008 07:30 pm (UTC)
For transgender SF/F you should look at Rachel Pollack (among other things, her novelette in my anthology THE FUTURE IS QUEER, as well as her novels).
[info]tcastleb wrote:
May. 6th, 2008 10:22 pm (UTC)
Cool. Thank you. And thanks for stopping by; I was going to look you up after Rachel mentioned you.
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 8th, 2008 11:10 pm (UTC)
Well, I came upon this site completely at random, but one of the best queer SF I've ever read would be China Mountain Zhang, By, um, another female author Maureen F Mchugh. And a short by David Gerrold, 'In the Quake Zone' which I found in Years best SF #23. Good luck on your book! I'll look for it.